"Yeah. It's all about databases, websites, and apps now, just like everything else." I introduce Jake and Rusty. "So, Rusty, what do you love doing?"

He laughs. "Is that a trick question?"

"I love reading," Jake pipes up. He's winning, by the way, in the contest of how to impress me. "I love my eReader."

"Cool," I say.

"I go down to Santa Cruz all the time," Rusty shares, slurping a bit of the head of the microbrew from the top of his glass. "I'm way into surfing, big time, and it's world class there."

"Nice."

"Have you ever surfed?" Rusty asks.

"No," I shake my head. "I'd like to try."

"I surf at Ocean Beach sometimes,&q...

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